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August 22nd, 2001

Insane Parent Posse

My friend Greg recently caught an episode of The O’Reilly Factor, which I’ve Pinged before, involving the Insane Clown Posse. O’Reilly’s apparently having a "hate music" theme week in which he invites popular artists such as the ICP and Marilyn Manson for a debate. You can check the transcript of the ICP interview.

Although I’ve agreed with O’Reilly on many points, this is one where I’m very much on the other side of the fence. It’s clear that the big goal of ICP is selling records. They admit this in the interview, and admit that it’s all the record company wants, too. The problem is that kids are flocking to their music, and their parents or guardians aren’t telling them that this is all a show. ICP’s taking full advantage of that by, frankly, messing with their heads. Do I think it’s right? Personally, it’s questionable. But I find a far, far greater fault with the parents in this case. I think it’s silly to think that ICP – or music in general – could cause a person to do something. A kid needs a parental guidance on this one, if the parent lets the kid listen at all. If that guidance isn’t there, O’Reilly is under the impression that it’s the artist’s responsibility. It’s not.

The artist’s responsibility is to two people/things: 1) the artist, and 2) the record company. That’s it. The audience is often involved, but not always, and doesn’t have to be. O’Reilly’s going after all of the acts that the media, interestingly, has dubbed as "violent", but he’s not looking at the bigger issue of censorship. Acts like this have existed since the start of rock, (remember "Knights in Satan’s Service"?) and they aren’t going away. Geez, we coped fine. Lots of kids did. Why is it that now, people are saying that the artists are all bad and awful and other adjectives? Because the parents are out of the loop.

O’Reilly, in this case, seems to be too smitten with himself. Now, then, I’ll take a real issue with ICP in a couple of possible scenarios. One, they act like they aren’t doing it for the money (like Limp Bizkit and all of the other "pop thrash" acts). Two, they decide to donate to a cause or charity that’s a polar opposite to their lyrics – such as a Christian organization.

But if a kid is listening to this stuff, and a parent isn’t aware of it or doesn’t care, I don’t think ICP is to blame. -pm

Posted in Miscellaneous

FROM: Ryan
DATE: Wednesday August 22, 2001 -- 9:34:50AM
I've always been of the mindset that it's not violent music that makes someone violent. Shoot, I listened to the Geto Boys' album that talked about rape, murder, and necrophilia while I mowed the lawn and turned out just fine. Pinger Robert is about into death metal as anyone I've ever known, and he's not exactly Charles Manson.

If O'Reilly was having ICP and Marilyn Manson on, though, he probably should have renamed the music "crap music" week... the ICP has to be the most Godawful group out there, and they've been around forever!

FROM: Robert
DATE: Wednesday August 22, 2001 -- 10:19:54AM
Charles Manson liked the Beatles. Case closed.

FROM: Ben Grimm
DATE: Wednesday August 22, 2001 -- 2:08:26PM
When has O'Reilly ever NOT been "too smitten with himself"? Like Rush and the other know-it-alls, it's all about their ego. They'll do the thinking for you, you give them money and unquestioning devotion.

FROM: syqnys
DATE: Tuesday December 3, 2002 -- 8:22:28 pm
O'Reilly seems very intelligent, but contrary to what he has said, I don't think he has listened to that much rap-hip hop music lately. Take ICP for instance, he assumes, like everyone else that they promote violence and hatred, when the opposite is true. If he, as well as everyone else would actually 'listen' to their music, they would see that ICP is very positive, and has a messege of good will towards man (bitches included). Hence the Jokers Cards: each card (album) represents death, and the messege behind their albums is that if you live an evil life, evil meaning all the things O'Reilly claims the clowns are, that you will be punished for it. It's a religon for the people who don't give a fuck, OReilly should be thankfull for the clowns, because all these juggalos, I think, would be a hell of lot more violent if they wern't Juggalos.

FROM: Jenny
DATE: Sunday February 8, 2004 -- 6:20:39 pm
I agree with syqnys.. Shit, if I ever stopped listening to ICP I think I'd go crazy.. They have answers to problems behind the music.. Which brings me to a song.. "Behind The Paint" all they are saying is that the "scrubs" won.. They are giving people who get picked on, or are called freaks a hope to believe in.. They say no matter what you look like, how you act, or what "status" you are in, in school, you still have a chance to gain respect, and grow tall.. They can win.. Hell, if it wasn't for them, who knows how many people would be depressed and killing.. Hell if I was still upset about my status, I'd be pretty pissed too.. But thanks to ICP, I have hope... Juggalette For Life Mofos!!

FROM: Dave Walls [E-Mail]
DATE: Sunday February 8, 2004 -- 11:01:05 pm
I have a hard time repsecting any group who jobs to Mike Awesome in 2 minutes, in a handicapped hardcore match. Jesus.

But thanks to ICP, I have hope..

Keep dreaming!

FROM: Ryan [E-Mail]
DATE: Monday February 9, 2004 -- 9:10:49 am
But the ICP are part of a select few that have performed in the WCW, WWF, ECW, and now the NWA-TNA... that's moderately impressive, at least.

FROM: dizzy
DATE: Tuesday September 14, 2004 -- 10:59:54 pm
i think that O'Reilly is a fagget and i think he is stuiped he doesnt understand the fucken concept of icp hes fucken just like oh im a reporter that thinks i can beat anyones ass.put he isnt i hate him i remeber watching his shows he always thinks hes right no matter what it is. even when he is wrong he thinks hes right. before i was a juggalo i listen to like ludacris and i heard he went on the O'Reilly factor and he made ludacris lose his job with fucken pepsi so i think he is fucken pitter. and i hate him juggalo 4 life motho fackos

FROM: Ryan [E-Mail]
DATE: Tuesday September 14, 2004 -- 11:44:10 pm
he always thinks hes right no matter what it is

I can't stand Bill O'Reilly, but don't most people think that they're right?

BTW, what is a "fagget," what does "fucken" mean, and do you have any quotation marks or shift keys on your keyboard?

so i think he is fucken pitter

I can't even begin to guess what you meant to say here... bitter? Shitter? Quitter? Or do you really think he's so in love with peach pits that he's really a pitter?

FROM: Greg
DATE: Wednesday September 15, 2004 -- 9:53:20 am
Since the letters P and L are so close on the keyboard, I think "dizzy" was calling O'Reilly a piece of trash. Which, for the most part is true. O'Reilly's arrogance is dated and tiresome.

FROM: Juggalos For LIfe
DATE: Tuesday March 14, 2006 -- 8:10:04 pm
Fuck O'Reilly I used to like him, but then he goes and baggz on ICP and MM? SHIT He cant stick to the truth? Ludacris rocks... MM rocks... ICP is just the best, but this guy can't stop himself fuckin with everyone... Listen to what he said! He's all talking shit about their lyrics, like the stabbing and murder... What does this mean? Well I think ICP knows better than all of this, they said on their website AND I QUOTE, " Their music is an expression of their experiences and ideas, and a reaction to violent emotions, not an endorsement of the violence itself. For instance, when ICP tell stories of violent acts, they are just stories—expressing an emotional response not intended to be seen as an actual suggestion. The Insane Clowns carry out violence in songs, so their audience can vent vicariously. The content of ICP's music is meant to be entertainment, and as such it is no worse than a typical Hollywood blockbuster, or violent video game. Unlike gangster rap, which encourages imitation, ICP offer pure, carnival-based fantasy entertainment. If they were genuinely promoting, or carrying out, violence in such a manner, they would be the "Next in Line for a Lethal Injection Posse" and not the public figures they actually are. The emotions and the sentiments are real, the violence is not."

Go ahead read it... All you retards out there may not know what it means... it meanse they sing about murder to depict all the violence around them and in the world... its no worse than a violent video game, or even a scary movie.

As for drugs... WHO THE FUCK CARES? All they sing about is weed really, and everyone already does that, they won't change nothin' its all peer pressure.


FROM: Ryan [E-Mail]
DATE: Tuesday March 14, 2006 -- 11:00:18 pm
Wait... people still listen to the Insane Clown Posse? Aren't they like 50 now?

FROM: Ryan [E-Mail]
DATE: Tuesday March 14, 2006 -- 11:01:02 pm
I also want to quote Paul for a moment:

I've agreed with O'Reilly on many points

That one will come back to haunt you if you ever run for public office.

MIKE December 3, 2007, 7:09 pm


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